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Post by stocke2 on Nov 3, 2012 1:19:46 GMT
we have a couple players thet tend to bring really optimized tourney lists to general gaming night so they can stomp anyone they play, when people are playing fun or fluffy lists, and it is starting to irritate me a bit.
Ive been wanting to try out necrons since they got some awesome new models, and i thought I would start my collection by building a list to pound those hard core tourney players, before getting into all the other cool stuff I want to be able to table.
this list would only be used for tournament or just to give certain players a taste of what they dish out...so here it goes
let me know what you think and what changes you would make
overloard w/ warscythe and tessaract labrynth in command barge
5 tomb blades with nebuloscope
2x6 wraiths with whip coils
5x7 warriors in nightscythe
1x doomscythe
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Post by Lazanakisk60 on Nov 3, 2012 10:34:06 GMT
1st of all welcome to the Tomb World fellow Overlord!! We hope you enjoy your time here I hate those kind of players too, but my advise here is NOT to fall to their level, by building a competitive list to go up against someone means that you become like them... Plus, why spend all that money on a bunch of Scythes just to beat someone? Alright say you beat them, now what? Those money drainers will stay on the selve (most of them), and they will be tempting you to field that same list all the time, thus making you one of those guys you wanted to defeat. Sell on e-bay? Who is gonna buy 7 scythes and at what price??? All that cash could also go to those stuff you wanted to field, if you buy all those fliers you will find yourself been far away from that goal... You say you have two of those guys right? well tell the person in charge to put them to play together and leave you and your friends play among yourselfs! Dont be like them, its the wrong choice. Keep been yourself and refuse to play with them, and do so insisting that you dont have any fun with them and that you dont want to waste your day, arrange with your friends to play with THEM by telling the manager of the store to arrange your guys to play together, if there is no other choice then pack up and leave - its better to go home and play with your own stuff or do some exersise than get angry and have a bad evening, trust me on this one i've been through it... Be alright with those 2 guys. Dont insult or irritate or make any comments about their playing, but if they ask you for a game, refuse outright. You want to make sure these 2 people understand that you and your friends dont like playing with them, but in a smooth way, you dont want to make enemies or they will possibly not let you play nicely with your friends either by making rude comments etc. They may try to challenge you to loose your nerve and start shouting and insulting, DONT DO THAT, stay cool. Alright thats all I can advice for, remember thats just my opinion on what to do - However you act is up to you. And to help with your list, always put Mindshackle scarabs to the Overlord and run more Immortals with Gauss blasters than Warriors. Nebuloscopes are great but the blades best benefit from particle beamers and all upgrades, 5 of them come at 275 points but they are super as they move 12" and fire 5 blasts, or move 24" and have a 3+ cover save!! And generally there a 3 overlord builds: 1- Unit supporter: Warscythe, MSS (MindShackle Scarabs) 2- Uber taker-on: Warscythe and everything exept of phylactery tachoyn arrow and phaeron. 3- Buffed beyond reason: Warscythe, Phaeron, everything (Do this only for fun for having a Prime overlord of fluff games or when you just go crazy, like i do all the time lol).
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 3, 2012 18:34:53 GMT
briefly as paer tayloring list the best ist to be the best all arounder meaning to pring threats responces to everythang and be a good general de dice listen you know what i mean
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Post by stocke2 on Nov 3, 2012 20:26:46 GMT
what about
imotekh in command barge 5 immortals in night scythes 5 immortals in night scythes 5 immortals in night scythes 5 immortals in night scythes 2x canoptek spyders 1 particle beamer 1 gloom prism 2x canoptek spyders 1 particle beamer 1 gloom prism 4x scarabs 4xscarabs 6x canoptek wraiths with whip coils 1x A-barge 1x triarch stalker
I love the canopteck models and the stalker just looks awesome...cant help but try and fit in models i like but think they can work together pretty well it does cut down on the flyers, i like the ark...but i cant see taking an ark without loading it with guys preferably 9 warriors and a lord with res orb and i wanted to keep 4 troop units and not have to fit in some of the other models i really like.
although i can see a list using arks full of troops in the future for sure
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 3, 2012 20:56:36 GMT
first and foremors not to much synergy with stalker - this ain a mid and long range szoOty army. as per spiders prsim is ok but they have to remain staationery and fire the blast unless theres a USR attached to their status MonstrousCreature that allows them to fire them when mooving of so good ide to harrass the content of the vehicle disabled by swarms . weapon scatters swarms suffer insta death
id try imo with royal court in an ark 2-3 for scythes ands salughter lords chronometred cryptec 4 rerrols(he also has3++) to night fight and lance ones for nasty firepower and a solar pulse
the infamous 2x5 arriors to grab yours under murk of night cut 2 scythes and add a dlord to those wraiths with scythe for sum anti tank rerolling ones in combat and in wounding(important to wraiths as they only fail to inflict a wound) dlord MSS2+drop a arge stalker ccb anotherwords and increace the numer of morties in those 2 scythes remaining and a lordie possibly(we already have three with imo) with RO and MSS scythe and 2+
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 3, 2012 22:01:46 GMT
anyhow sorry 4 ad spelling but my keyboard does not cooperate propperly Ghost ark IMO 3lords 2+ mms scythe one RO i chronometred time splintered cloak(me thinks the staff is pointless) 4 destructecs one sp one gaze the priciest lended my dex to a friend Dlord mss 2+ scythe 5 wraiths whip coils 2x night scythe 7 morties lordie with mss scythe RO 2x lone 5 warriors to sit buck they're pretty annoying plz believe and in ojestive based games can be a paint in the arse 2x2spidrers scarabs and one doom scythe
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Post by stocke2 on Nov 3, 2012 22:04:26 GMT
yeah, i am already retooling for naked spyders, and I know the stalker is a hard fit wich sucks cause I really love that model and would love to be able to play him in the army
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 3, 2012 22:32:57 GMT
den dO a szoty army with immo n another overlord for two solar pulses do e flare up not flurred destroyes tombla blades i heard they are good even inn CC with meqs 75 like olt morties 20 twin linked shoots from them wit gauss shame no scythe nor rending neither but we have uber quick wraiths to protect them they can DS dunno whethe r bikes but then can embark upon a night scythe ;D apocc maybe-the table was to shoort sk our fliers are our best AAA and scythes are much better imho when it comes to resilience than barages in comparsion in all how they do with shooty attacks and besides it's a mighty transport doestroyers shoot doo good also in such list 3regular two heavy for bigger games 2 regular 3 heavy for smaller points they can Deep strike and shoot damage vehicles dethmarks vithe veiltec are uber when used propperly but not bent but not bent too much -everything in vehicles is save thus morties warriors destroyers and the tipstalker-it could be a MC butt arse should i say he's not
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Post by Lazanakisk60 on Nov 4, 2012 7:37:20 GMT
"laughs in an evil way" Deathmarks! Here is a recepie for using these guys properly:
Zahndrekh on CCB Obyron with Overlord, 2 Veilteks and 10 marks.
Zahn moves 24" 1st turn and Ob teleports (scatter-free) within 6" and veilteks shoot the hell out of a marked unit with their templates wounding on 2s (I assume you know the trick right?)
Costly, but watch the ork guy removing his 30 man ard boy unit in a turn and see for yourself!!
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 4, 2012 10:59:37 GMT
one cal also find a way to make that unit marked and twin linked but templates R evil.
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Post by stocke2 on Nov 6, 2012 4:06:39 GMT
i guess you could also make a list with most of the really cool models like:
OL in command barge MSS,scythe court with 2x lord MSS scythe 9warriors in ghost ark 9warriors in ghost ark 5 immortals night scythe 5 immortals night scythe 5 wraith / whip coils 5 tomb blades shield vanes/nebuloscopes/particle beamers stalker A-Barge A-Barge A-Barge
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 6, 2012 11:29:08 GMT
i guess you could also make a list with most of the really cool models like: OL in command barge MSS,scythe court with 2x lord MSS scythe 9warriors in ghost ark 9warriors in ghost ark 5 immortals night scythe 5 immortals night scythe 5 wraith / whip coils 5 tomb blades shield vanes/nebuloscopes/particle beamers stalker A-Barge A-Barge A-Barge divagations amusing bout the CCB was present here just chesk so CC should go with a phase shifterd roded not nneessairly overord i'd also give those lordies a RO just in case they get out of the ark they have to git out of it in order to score and are pretty fragile thus enchances WBB is nice. stalker with what armament? id preffer twin linked gauss cannon for larger firld support it will be hard to disable those offending vehihles with gauss at larger than 12'' so blades can have a problem and turn out to be useless with beamers agains mechanized armies pretty solid shoOtyn from those a barges but i'd drop one to favour a doom scythe just in case to open up those armoured tins 4 baldes to take caere of the content
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Post by stocke2 on Nov 8, 2012 0:15:24 GMT
i have gotten a bunch of good advice here and in other boards and think i just about have a list that should be at least compettative i hope and fun for me to play, as cool as flyer spam would be on the table top, i want others to not run away as soon as they see the army i dont really like destroyers unfortunately the modes are cool, i just dont like the fluff behind them or the flayed ones either, but at least they suck. i swapped out an a-barge and the stalker, i love the stalker, but think he really needs a list tooled to him and would want two of them in the list so i have two lists that are pretty close to in composition, I hope they look like workable lists here they are: OL mss/warscythe/ccb OL mss/warscythe/ccb royal court 2x lord res orb/ gauntlet of fire one with MSSas well warriors x9 ghost ark warriors x9 ghost ark imm x5 tesla night scythe imm x5 tesla night scythe wraith x5 4 whip coils tomb blades x5 shield vanes/scopes/particle beamers A-barge w/gauss A-barge w/gauss 1999pts the second list i swap out the court for an extra A-barge, an extra wraith and two more warriors OL mss/warscythe/ccb OL mss/warscythe/ccb warriors x10 ghost ark warriors x10 ghost ark imm x5 tesla night scythe imm x5 tesla night scythe wraith x6 4 whip coils tomb blades x5 shield vanes/scopes/particle beamers A-barge w/gauss A-barge w/gauss A-barge w/guass 1995pts is the court worth taking over the extra A-barge and wraith? and do you think this would be a competitive list at all? in our local meta where i play we have a few marine players around here, grey knights, a space wolf player with usually a spammed out min/maxed list, a tyranid player or two, couple orks, some chaos and right now only one daemon player, maybe a couple guard or DE players at the moment, we dont have any tau or necrons and eldar maybe every now and then
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 8, 2012 8:11:52 GMT
just remember you cant sweep a flyer via CCB and only 2 scythes so not to much threat to pose againts flyer spam though 3 A-barges should be good aid
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Post by neCZluva_a.k.a._MościNIECZlek on Nov 8, 2012 9:32:15 GMT
and do you think this would be a competitive list at all? one flaw i see - lack of long range gaus.5 morties wont disable a rhion when they disemabrk so if u paln to fly around and just grab the objective last turn warriorswould be much better and the excess of points that will become spare should go else where id do smth to increase longer rang 24 " gauss fire or those blades can turno out to be useless remember that cunatum shielding does not work inn cc thus arks are fragile after the flux the vehicle to death there's plent gauss but short range id recomend at least one doom and more morties in those scythe so taht after they disemabrk they can deal much easier with armoured threat my 2pln
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